We have everything right? Hopefully we're not missing out on any specs we have, right? All right, here is the official season 4 tier list. Everyone wants to know the meta, we've been doing keys non-stop for two weeks so let's break it down.
So to talk about tiers real quick s tier in my opinion an s-tier class is a class where you’re not going to see world first keys without this class it's going to be in basically every single comp by the end of the season absolutely undeniably the best version the best of that class or that role
A tier is a class where it's very respect sorry a spec that's very good you're very likely to see it in high keys but it's not mandatory, b-tier is a spec that's okay it can perform well you'll see probably specialists playing it in high keys only not a bad spec you know has some redeeming qualities c tier is like this spec is pretty beans you're probably not going to see that many people playing it d tier is don't play this dtr stands for don't play this spec we don't even need an f tier delete row .
We'll start with healers since that's basically all i know in the s tier i think we just have to do it i just think we have to put priest in the s tier, PI plus fey or plus kirian is so giga strong also with how good its healing is and how much healing is actually needed priest is just so gigastrong i think you're pretty much going to see priests on every team in great push maybe you might see like one healer used as like a specialist In a certain dungeon but priest is so good very straightforward on demand, heals does good damage good support buttons it's very strong it's definitely the best healer right now.
I would say now in the A tier here in the A tier here the first healer that i want to put behind priest is resto shaman now for pugs you might argue that rest of shaman is as good as priest rest of shaman is a really really good pug healer, you have a kick you bring bloodlust when you have some sort of weird comp you have pretty good like sustained aoe healing and also like really crazy burst healing with ascendance and slt like you can basically save your team from trying to wipe themselves.
Shaman is a great pug healer also it does really really good damage shaman this season whether you take haste for single or crit for aoe is doing really really good damage, the weaknesses that shaman have i would say is that it's a lot less mana efficient than priest and so some of these really hard tyrant bosses i don't know like you're going to need to be playing very very well as a shaman whereas a priest you can kind of just karate chop heal over and over also in intense situations where you can't dps much like for example like the trash and iron docks or like a really hard boss you don't get any value from like you're just pr you're basically placing vesper in flame shock and not doing much else whereas priests you're still doing pi you can still run fae you can still contribute a lot, with shaman hmm.
Those were the easy ones, okay let's let's do another easy one not in the A tierand i'm gonna have to do it i think i'm gonna put mistweaver in the c tier, look you can heal keys with mist weaver, mist weaver is honestly not even that bad of a healer it brings some things that are useful it brings some things that are useful but i just feel like it doesn't have enough redeeming qualities to be bringing it into like high keys healer right now in current season it just needs to be someone that can keep you alive.
If you know somebody who plays miss weaver and they're good and they're going to keep you alive then invite him you know invite him but in terms of comparing this to shaman or priest with what they bring just think you have to put this weaver and seat here i mean let's be honest last season we saw only one mist weaver in the entire top 100.
All right this is a hard one i think a lot of people would want me to put disc priest in C tier here I’m gonna do it it's definitely goes above mist weaver however i don't think disc priest is nearly as bad as people make it out to be this priest gets giga haste with the affix and also it still has a lot of the redeeming qualities that holy priest has, disc priest also has really strong external dr's this phrase has pain suppression barrier everyone like everyone is flaming this priest right now one of the only major problems that disc priests has is it just runs out of mana too fast and it struggles with bosses, i actually don't think disc priest is nearly as bad as people say it is.
The only reason it's so unpopular is because number one it's difficult number two holy priest owns don’t think this is nearly as bad as people make it out to be rapture is giga giga strong barrier, pain sup, you have so many good cooldowns you have so much haste you just put up shadow word pains everywhere, this might be this might be heavy copium but i put just priest slightly ahead of mist weaver.
All right next healer this is a hard one because haven’t really played this healer that much and a lot of people aren't playing It, holy paladin, i feel like holy paladin is certainly above disc priest and mist weaver but i struggle putting it on the same level as resto shaman right now I think holy paladin probably struggles with some of the boss fights especially fights like mana wyrm or mana devourer where people have to be really really spread out.
Holy paladin can also be really really good on some fights like moroes, maiden is also another really good fight for holy paladin i bet you can just sack and just break the barrier also protect people i feel like this might i might be underrating paladin but i think i'm outgoing to put it on b tier here, i think you could be doing really high keys as paladin but i just don't think we’re going to see that many i think it's hard to put paladin on the same level as resto shaman but i think paladin has a lot of redeeming qualities last season i would have put paladin up here with resto shaman but number one i think the healing profiles of some of these new dungeons are not super great for paladin number two a lot of these dungeons are also very unfriendly to melee and i think playing a melee healer is gonna be a lot more difficult.
I actually think you could do very high keys as paladin but i don't think they're as good as resto shaman their damage is probably not going to be very good compared to shaman getting haste from the seasonal is like okay but i feel like you're probably going to run out of mana, i haven't played it i don't know if you could even utilize haste that well.
All right the last healer resto druid, what do we do with resto, i feel like resto druid is probably b tier here with holy paladin probably i don't know i think this is really hard because here's the thing about resto druid, i feel like owns with the haste affix and i feel like the seasonal affix is pretty good for resto druid i also feel like resto druid is probably better at healing some of the bosses right now versus paladin, i would probably feel safer with a resto than a paladin i don't know i feel like it's better than holy paladin, again i don't know if I put it on the same level with with resto.
I spread these out into four tiers but don’t think these are as far apart as people might think this is exactly what you’re gonna see in high keys right i think you're going to see an overwhelming majority of holy priests i think you’re going to see a handful of resto shamans and then maybe a couple resto druids or h pals and then maybe like one crazy Mistweaver and disc priest right i think i'm pretty happy with this i don't think resto druid and holy paladin are that far behind, shaman i think i'm pretty happy with this list in terms of representation and strength.
That being said you can i think you could be healing high keys with almost every single healer there may be some fights where you really really really struggle with some healers like i would imagine disc priest on a fight like mana devourer with grievous like what are you even doing on that fight as this priest whereas mist weaver would totally own at that fight so i think this is where i rank the healers a lot of people are wanting this to be indeed here i don’t think disc priest is that bad look i'm not gonna play it look everyone's like oh bring disc priest into a lower kara I’m not that crazy I’m not I’m not stupid okay all right.
Now we'll do tanks, tanks i think will be also easy in the s-tier you have to put blood dk, blood dk is a completely op completely omega-strong tank it's only going to get stronger when every single blood decay will be able to get mythic gavel last season blood decay was also insanely strong and almost all blood dk case didn't even have a mythic gavel.
Blood dk has insane survivability with the haste affix, you can keep up dancing room weapon literally like infinite uptime you're doing insane like the insane single target damage of blood dk combined with how little you have to heal it, blood dk is just the best tank i think there’s absolutely no denying it i think in great push every single tank and every single dungeon is going to be a blood dk except for maybe like a couple like weird picks for specific dungeons blood dk i think is just far and away the best tank right now.
A tier tanks that are still very good and can do high keys but not as good as blood dk i think there's actually a lot of tanks in this category, the first tank i'm going to put because dorky's freaking out is prot pally, i think prot pally is a very good tank prot pally has a lot of good group utility prot pally does good damage like especially on like uh like mid number of targets um like basically the amount of stuff you can divine toll or avengers shield probably also has a lot of kicks which is very nice, however prot pally does have some issues.
Prot pally has windows where you are vulnerable like you can't keep ardent up 100 like you can keep dancing weapon up 100 and also it's just doing less single target damage than blood dk but it’s still a very very good tank.
Next hmm this might be mega copium well let’s save the copium for a little bit, a tier i also want to say brewmaster, i think i think brewmaster is also very good and can do high keys i haven't played that much with brewmaster so this might be a little off based but just from what i've been seeing watching people i feel like brewmaster is like definitely up there.
Brewmaster is justdoes a lot does good damage, one annoying thing about brewmaster is that there's not really a lot of physical damage in the meta like there's basically outlaw rogues and that's it a lot of the damage is coming from fire mage, survival hunter uh warlock so if if you were getting a ton of benefit from mystic touch i feel like brewmaster could be better but again you're just pretty far behind in single target damage compared to blood dk.
Next bear, do do we put bear on c tier or d tier because i think these are the only places it can go i think putting bear next to mist weaver and disc priest seems pretty correct, i think putting bear down here i look i can't put bear as d tier here because bear has some redeeming qualities especially for pugs, like you have a battle rez like you have a battle rez um in the end, you're really strong all right, i don't think bear is that bad think especially if you're if you're playing casually this is like a fine tank to do 15s on it's also very very simple so it's not that hard like it's a tank that is not really that hard to miss play compared to like like would almost.
Rather have a bear in a weekly 15 instead of a vengeance like i would rather have a bear instead of a vengeance but yeah not much good to say about bear right now i mean the big problem with bear is like we talked about we talked about prot paladin having like near infinite ardent we talked about blood dk having near infinite rune weapon look i get it if bear had infinite incarnate would be op but bear, bear is like only really good in incarn and the incarnate uptime is just so low compared to every like every other tank’s major cooldown.
All right inhale some copium boys are you ready are you ready for the copium i'm putting prot warrior in a tier, i don't i actually think prot warrior is good it just plays really clunky and so nobody wants to play it, i think prot warrior is not that bad i think it's really tanky against physical damage and now that there's more stuff that you can spell reflect in these dungeons compared to shadow lands think you're going to gain benefit from that too i think there's also some situations where you'll you may even want prot warrior in like a great push setting.
On top of that prot warrior does insane single target damage as long as they can get a good execute window if you can actually like be ripping executes on prot warrior you can do as much damage as a blood dk does, i don't know about more single target than a blood dk but you can put up competitive single target on a prot warrior if you have an execute not only during execute but i'm saying like if there is an execute window for the boss i think prot warrior is really really good but the way that it plays is like really clunky and so not a lot of people play it but i think it's right up there with brew and prot pally.
I’m gonna be a little bit biased here some people might get mad about this one i'm gonna put vengeance in b tier, i think vengeance is really tanky against trash if there's a lot of mobs that you can tank i think vengeance is giga strong also giving a chaos brand to your dps is really really good but i feel like vengeance is the most commonly misplayed tank and also i think vengeance on single target is not really good like i think vengeance is vengeance has similar problems to bear in that like it's just so lacking in single target and it's lacking defensively on single target too like if you don't have lot of mobs that you can gain like you're just not that tanky.
Having to heal a vengeance when there's so much group damage in this season is kind of beings like i think for pugs i think honestly like baron vengeance would both be c but if vengeance is played really well it kind of moves up, i think for pugs also prot warrior might go down but a really well played prot warrior i think can tank with the best of them alright so clearly there's a best and then there's some good second options all of these are viable if you really want to make it work you can play disc or miss weaver i don't know if we'll see any high keys that's bear this is current this is not for dragonflight there's no evoker.
All right let's talk about some dps specs, now this is gonna be hard because there’s still gear to be gotten there's still um you know there hasn't been as many keys done yet so we haven't got to see a lot of these specs i'm gonna make kind of this might be kind of a wild post, this might be a wild prediction but i actually don't know if there's any s tier or dps i know it sounds a little crazy but i don't think there's any one dps class that's so op that you need to have it in every single key i think if there was everyone saying survival i don't know if survival is absolute s tier absolute necessary in every key, destro i mean destro definitely is an s tier i think destro definitely is an s tier.
All right well this is gonna look this might be the most controversial pick then, was gonna do a bit where i put sub rogue in in a tier and then say it was survival is that you guys would make fun of me for not knowing what i'm talking about but i feel like you guys wouldn't get the joke anyway i think i think survival is definitely high a tier, survival is a really really good spec i don't look i don't think it's mandatory to do high keys i don't think you're gonna see survival in every single comp i think survival right now with the quote-unquote nerfs that they did is actually like pretty well balanced because like now it's doing well when i say well-balanced i mean it's good at everything it has good single now it has good aoe it brings lust it has some decent utility well balanced, what i meant to says that it's like pretty decent at everything it has good damage.
At the end of the season when every single team that's pushing high keys doesn't have a survival look we have great push coming up look hold on let's look at raider io right now what were the let's look at the teams and qualifiers let's look at the teams and qualifiers right now okay mdi america's proving ground dungeon leaderboards wait wait a second dorky's team who's flaming me for not putting survival hunter in the s-tier has ahoy weird and jcp's team doesn't have a survival hunter, two teams decided that the best possible comp in this dungeon does not include a survival look i'm look sometimes you're just right chat look sometimes look there's the streamer and there's the chatters all right sometimes you just have to be right sometimes you just what what hold on is this another dungeon wait a second is this another dungeon where there’s no survival both of the top na teams in both of the time trial dungeons are not playing look, right i'm right just because dorky's been right every other time in his life doesn't mean i'm not right.
Survival is going in a tier it's a great dps it's really good it's really valuable you're very happy to have survival hunter in your group the main worry about uh survival hunters and pugs are you invite them because they're a hunter but then they join your party and you forget to check and then they’re beast mastery or marksman, that's the biggest weakness that survival has so you have to be careful about that one but besides that one survival is still a very very good class.
All right another a tier dps destro lock, i think destro lock is still pretty good right now warlock is also giga giga tanky warlock does good aoe damage it has pretty good single target damage as well not like amazing but pretty good it benefits a lot from pi it actually owns still also on top of that one of my favorite things about destro lock is that it's very very tanky destro lock is very very tanky i don't really i think it's in a pretty good place right now where i think again you don't have to have a destro lock in your team you don't have to have a destro lock in your team so this is a hard one this is this is a hard situation so i'm gonna do this again you guys might disagree with me here i'm gonna do this here though i'm gonna put I’m gonna put demo and destro both here.
This is a little bit of a complicated scenario okay because demo is gonna be better on single target and it still is pretty good and you play one or the other in keys you play either demo or you play destro, demo is really good and there are a lot of these dungeons in this season where you need to kill the bosses and you need to have good boss damage this is think about workshop think about um upper think about what are some other what are some other dungeons where you really need to kill bosses those are like for sure the two big ones but there's a lot of difficult bosses that you need to have good boss damage on and having demo in your group i think is actually pretty nice.
Yeah this is a weird situation where you play one or the other like if you're playing destroy all the time or demo all the time i don't think that's optimal and it's probably not quite on the level of playing survival hunter in every key and in the poor words that i used earlier survival hunter is more well balanced but what being able to play one or the other i think i have to put both of these in a tier here.
All right more at your specs fire mage, i think fire may just giga good right now fire mage especially with a night fae priest does giga giga strong single target, fire mage also has db which is a really good range stop it's like one of the best range stops you can have fire mage has an immunity and a cheat death fire mage is really strong.
The problem with fire mage i think is its aoe like its aoe damage isn't really that good like you're mainly bringing fire mage because of the single so you need to have like aoe blasters if you're playing fire mage, yeah fire mage is really really good i think you won't need you won't see fire mage in every single dungeon but i think fire mage will definitely make an appearance in a lot of keys and i think fire mage has been underrated for a long time so fire mage good demo good survival hunter good what else is good?
Rogue, rogue is very very good it's tempting to put rogue as an s tier but i don't think you play rogue in every single comp i don't think you play rogue in every single comp here's the question i have for you guys do we put is sub and outlaw both a tier like do you switch between sub and outlaw depending on the dungeon.
When i was playing with junkrat, junkrat was only playing um only playing outlaw do you don't think you play any any sub even with weapons or whatever okay sub will put in we'll put in b tier here then since everyone is playing outlaw I feel like there's got to be some dungeons or some situations where you play sub and there's no way we can put any rogue spec below b tier here.
So outlaw, very very good i would say outlaws damage is probably the lowest of the dps that we have in a tier but it's a rogue so it also brings the most out of everything in a tier you have infinite stops it's still got good single target and good cleave outlaw is just a very very good spec i mean rogue will always there will like almost always be there will almost always be a rogue spec and a tier i think rogue is very strong but i also don't think you have to play with a rogue.
All right are there any a-tier specs left i think, do we put wind walker in a tier probably i think wind walker is really really good too the problem is i don't know if it’s like on the same level of of these specs i'm gonna put it there because i think it's good yeah i think we put wind walker here i think it's probably the worst of the specs here like i think I probably like maybe rank the specs like this but they all sort of bring different things and do i don't know see it's hard though right like how do you put i don't know like they all just do different stuff like you all you just want like a mix you just want like a mix of all of them you know wind walker i think is definitely the it's sort of like a mix between an aoe blaster and a rogue because it has a lot of good stops too like wind walker's really good for like having sweep having para having ring you bring a lot of mob control with the wind walker and i think not having windwalker or rogue is kind of beans but i think wind walker isn't quite as good as the others just because it doesn’t scale that well with the affix like you just take crit where does the other class like all do you take haste.
I don’t think you take haste on rogue either but rogue is rogue all right what other specs are there any others there's no other specs we can really put in aids here i don't think i think these classes are in a league of their own what are some bean specs.
Now let's go in reverse let's weed out some of the bean specs that there's no reason to bring what do you guys think about arcane mage d tier or c tier i feel like arcane mage is like why do you why do you play arcane mage arcane mage is a mage spec and it brings lust and its damage is probably fine and it probably should be in c tier here but when you can play any of the other specs i feel like you should we should just put it in d tier it's a mage it can't be it can't arcane can’t be in d tier you can't put a main spec in d tier it's like putting a rogue spec indeed here like it's just a mage man it's just a mage arcane just why are you playing it you don't have db you don't have two blocks you don't have slows like it's just unless arcane is just giga blasting dps compared to every other mage spec there’s absolutely no reason to play it.
D tier is dtr just gonna be every druid spec except for resto, this might be tragic i think i think we might put feral in d tier, does anyone even play feral do we just put every single druid spec in d tier this is this is a tragedy this is a tragedy here i feel like you could put poor druid man poor druid v is for druid right now look if it was up to me wait a second it is up to me look i'm putting i'm putting boomy and feral both in c tier because i think i think there is at least some redeeming qualities of those classes i think there's at least some redeeming quality of boomkin and feral.
Druid boomkins damages beans but look it's a giga range class beam is good trees is good like there are some redeeming qualities that boomkin has like i know you guys all want me to put boonkin and dt here but I don’t think like boomkins terrible damage like it's like bottom of the list probably for dps but i'm going to put both of the druid specs in c tier here because i think there's at least some redeeming qualities to both of these specs, will you see them in high keys almost definitely not but i don't think you can really put him in d tier here if bear is d both or d.
All right what other classes go down here, aff lock does aff lock go in d tier look you guys wanted it you guys wanted a d tier like okay what's the reason why would you ever bring an aff lock what redeeming qualities does aff have you guys are telling me that you think boomkin is worse than afflock come on, aff is basically just a boomkin except it doesn't bring anything they pump in gambit i mean no if i invited an affliction lock i'd uninvite yeah exactly we got to put we got to put aff lock in the d tier i think aff lock goes down here with druid.
All right what's left here what about what about ret, does ret go in d tier 2 i feel like ret has some redeeming qualities but just nobody plays it i feel like i can't put ret and aff lock here i would rather i like ret is like same asboomkin i feel like you know at least bring some stuff like there's at least some cool stuff that you have in your group when you have a ret or a boomkin i'd probably rather even have a ret than either of the druid specs.
It's true that ret does more damage than boomkin but ret also just pulls threat one second into the pull and then dies right like that's just because it does more damage it's going to even out because the ret's going to be dead for half the key anyway okay.
What other let's are there any other super bean specs that are completely useless what about arms warrior can we put arms warrior in c tier here too i just don’t really know everybody wants arms b i just don't know that much about arm's warrior all right look all right copium time copium time okay ready i'm gonna put arm's b tier here and here's why okay you guys just are undervaluing mortal strike okay you guys are under valuing mortal strike all these all these affixes the entire seasonal affix is built on healing you guys just didn't give arms warrior a try you bring arms warrior you mortal strike the guy think about how easy the mini boss is yeah but arms warrior has the best one right doesn't arms warrior have the highest mortal strike his arms worry or not i thought it was the highest.
Maybe if there were any good arms warriors maybe we'd know what to rank them don't blame the streamer blame the arms warrior community justice dude i knew survival had mortal strike i just did i thought arms always had the highest one and i thought the other ones were less what arms were your community.
All right other dps, all right look we'll just we'll just continue on with the bomb cloud takes okay we'll just continue on with the bomb cloud takes shadow priest i think is actually b tier here i don't even think so i don't even think shadow priest is that bad now i think shadow priest is actually kind of good especially considering you can play you can play double pi and you can pi a warlock on your party.
I think shadow is actually underrated i think shadow is like highly underrated right now also if you’re dumb enough to be in a group without a priest if you're playing with shaman then you get all the priests utility with mass dispel with grip with disease dispel as you do if you had a holy priest, i think shadow priest is actually kind of good right now i don't know if you'll see it in any in any real keys like i don't know if you'll see any of these specs in any great push keys but i think shadow is actually not that bad right now how are people saying shadow priests is a tier you guys are crazy this is why blizzard balances like [ __ ] they watch growls to your list i guarantee you that blizzard does not care at all about anything i have to say about class balance 100.
All right let's move on all right let's just go down the list here now these this is going to be hard because these are literally classes that i have not played with a single time in all of season four so we may default to the chat with some of these ass rogue do we just putting a rogue spec in c tier here just doesn’t seem right but there's no way it's it's good there's no way it's as good as sub so it has to be in the c tier here no one plays assassin rogue you can't put no there's no way you can put a rogue spec indeed here there's no way you can put a rogue spec in d tier it's just not a thing that you can do rogue, rogue just brings too much good stuff you cannot you look you guys are saying that i'm crazy and then some of you guys are telling me to put ass rogue in the same tier as aff lock and you guys are saying i'm the one that's crazy we’re definitely putting it above all these specs too because it's definitely better than these specs.
All right bmhunter like bm hunter is just like probably b tier here it's probably just like average probably like fine this damage is like probably okay people play people are playing bm for the last boss of um last boss of grimrail so it's at least like something you can do i think bm's actually probably fine like there’s not a lot of reason to bring bm over any of these specs but i think bm's damage is like probably fine.
All right ele shaman dude i haven't seen ele shaman in a hot minute i haven't like who even plays ele shaman anymore i feel like ele is like it's hard putting it on with these specs i don't think ele is quite with these specs i feel like it's like probably low b arranged with a 12 second kick i think is good it also it also has a lot of group healing the group healing from ele shaman is nice with how much group damage there is i think it's like in in these specs right here i think it's fine to play ele shaman but you’re probably not going to see them in in high keys.
All right and enh shaman, enhanced from them does pretty good damage too right i would kind of put in enh shaman like probably in here with these specs i feel like enhance is like not that bad it does it does like really good single target damage doesn't it i feel like enhances like up in here probably better than arms not as good as sub i feel like we put enhanced in the high b i don't think again i don't think you’re gonna see too many enhanced shamans playing but i think it's i think it's pretty good and hands over that well I’m mainly just looking at the dps specs i'm not really i'm not ranking enhanced shaman versus rest of druid.
Frost mage, i feel like frost mage is like in this group i feel like a lot of these specs are just in this group right here just like low b not bad didn't people play frost mage hold on didn't people play frost mage imam in great push by the way i want to say i saw that dungeon leaderboards who was it that was playing frost mage am I crazy did i make that up i could have sworn when i was looking at the leaderboards that somebody was playing frost mage was it eu maybe maybe i just made that up or maybe that was like on the first day or something it's good for curator and medivh okay that oh yeah that does make sense actually that does make sense yeah so i think i don't know i feel like it's like somewhere in here again just like i don't know i'm not going to nitpick between bm and frost mage because you don't see either of them but i think uh frost mage is still a mage.
You have two blocks does okay damage you have slows slows aren’t really that important right now i'm not gonna like i look i don't play i haven't played with a single frost mage or bm hunter or ele shaman this tier so it's hard for me to like you know nitpick in between the tiers but it's somewhere in here.
Frost dk i don't know i feel like frost dk is like probably low b tier i feel like frost dk just doesn't really bring that much it's just like a melee dps that just like is super cool down reliant like frost dk either does pretty good damage or just like does nothing like you do have some stuff but blood dk is s tier so you 100 have a dk already frost dk lost a lot with er yeah for sure i think frost dk is just like kind of whatever.
Unholy do we put unholy in the c tier, i haven't seen anybody enjoy unholy at all for the entire expansion i don't know if it's even good like i feel like it's like down here in the dumps with all these specs i feel like we put it in like gosh putting in it next to ret and boomkin d tier, i think we put it in here i don't i don't know if it's fair to put it on the same level as aff lock but it's pretty bad.
All right fury warrior i mean i think I think like literally all these specs are just like here right does anyone have any complaints about putting dh havoc i mean havoc isn't even that good i think all these are just like low b specs what do you guys think are there any complaints about uh yeah okay i can see i can see marksman being a little bit higher yeah i can see marksman being up here but i mean this is even nitpicking in between a tier.
